I am glad these fellows citizens are fighting for what they believe in, especially in 20 degree weather. I hope it sparks other revoutions around the nation. Although, i have yet to see these strikers make a difference, almost like they're not really doing anything but getting free days off of work(negative effect on everyone) and bringing in media attention.
The battle over Scott Walker's attempts, as governer of Wisconsin, to slash spending by removing the collective bargaining rights, in addition to a plethora of other cuts, is causing much turmoil amongst teachers, confusion amongst the public, and much argument over the issue in not just Madison, but the District of Columbia as well.
President Obama decreed these actions by Wisconsin republicans as "an assault on unions." Yet, the Speaker of the House, John Boehner, applauds the actions of Walker and other republicans for finally standing up and making the tough decisions that will ultimately lead to the financial salvation of this country.
In my not so humble opinion, I think that the actions by Walker and his Republican controlled government are a smart, iconic way of cutting spending. For too long, this nation and its corporations have been strong-armed by these unions into agreeing to nearly fiscally impossible agreements, just to satisfy workers. This attack on collective bargaining is a positive step towards giving back power to the employers who, let's face it, are the ones who pay the bills.
Hopefully, with the passage of this bill in Wisconsin, other much needed reform could come to not just the decrepit union system, but to the public employee system as a whole. This idea of pension is completely flawed and it has been known as flawed for many a year. Why hasn't there been pension reform, you ask? Because of collective bargaining. How is it in any way, shape, or form a viable idea that someone in the public sector can retire and still make ninety some-odd percent of their final pay grade? It is a completely idotic and fantastical belief to think that a system like that could continue on indefinitely.
As I have stated before, it starts with collective bargaining, and it ends with finally teaching public employees that the taxpayers will not continue to meet their ridiculous, and quite irresponsible, conditions for any longer.
I do believe that the government has to cut down on their outrageous spending in step with the private sector, but I do not believe that the educational system is the one that should get cut. There are many other useless parts to the government, as well as other parts that use up way more funding than is necessary. An example of waste stemming from government waste is the bullet train in California. It's going to use billions of dollars that will never be seen again. I digress. The point is that the educational system shouldn't be the one getting the cuts in the first place. this whole fiasco could have been avoided if Walker would have cut the idiotic areas first.
In this respect, I am on the side of the protestors. Although, the bald guy on the clip we watched made a pretty good argument. The private sector is drastically cutting their spending, so the government must also. It was also smart of him to mention that his wife is a teacher and that they still have to do the right thing. Yet until the government cuts the useless, not the useful, I will side with the protestors.
On January 27, Wisconsin's governor Scott Walker signed a bill that gave businesses with sales under $5 million dollars a generous tax break. One month later, the state is in crisis as it faces a deficit. And public employees are carrying the burden. Governor Walker is now proposing to end all collective bargaining. There is really no mystery as to why the citizens of Wisconsin are protesting. Honestly, if I resided in that state I would probably join the protests. Unions aren't to blame for the current financial trouble Wisconsin is in. So how would union busting be a solution?
I say we "Kill the Bill!" Peoples lively hoods are being threaten if they dont stop this bill, its hard enough as it is with the cuts why make it even harder? The people of winsconsin will suffer if this bill gets passed. And another thing if that happens there what stops it from spreading to other states. I support them and hope they get what they want. Fight the Power!
"State lawmakers in the U.S. state of Wisconsin have reached a deal to move forward with a bill limiting labor union powers, a proposal that has enraged state workers and triggered widespread protests [...]Wisconsin's Republican Governor Scott Walker has spearheaded the initiative, arguing the move is necessary to save money and close the state's budget gap."
In my opinion, this bill is a very touchy subject. On the one hand it is aimed at lowering the debt of the state but on the other it blatantly restricts the workers rights to collective bargaining which in a sense limits their constitutional first amendment rights. I for one do not know if their is any compromise to this issue but maybe certain rights have to be relinquished in time of crisis in order to insure the progressive future of the country as a whole.
I believe that the protestors are right and that the bill should be killed. The bill isn't only affecting Wisconsin but other places as well. There are people all over the nation that have come to Wisconsin to help protest the bill because they believe it is wrong and that the same thing will happen in their own state if the bill is passed. It needs to stop or soon a roit may break out.
It appearce that many people believe that the only reason that Mr. Walker is trying to pass the bill has to do more then to help regulate the deficit. And that Governer Walker is using the financial crisis as an excuse to attack unions. I am truly baffaled, that the governement of Wisconsin would go as far as to do something like that to reduce the Deficit. If that is the problem would it not help the states employees if they would stopped using private jets? i mean that could also help a great deal. Instead they go and cut the working class's paycheck knowing full well that they need the money in order to support themselves or thier families. Frankly, I believe that there might be another way, but it seems that Governer Walker does not see that, and at the time he only saw what seemed relavent as well as convenient at the time stating "Obviously there is a lot of protest out there, but in the end, it’s the right thing to do."
I believe the Wisconsin's protests and disagreements are a must because the Governor of Wisconsin is trying to take away the rights of his people. The "deep, deep budget cuts," I think, will hurt their state more than help it. Although Wisconsin is in need of money, budget cuts that will threaten the jobs of mayors and school board presidents are not beneficial to the state of Wisconsin. This would be depriving the state's people of a decent education and a paying job that is enough to support their family. These cuts are too drastic, in my opinion, for a 3.5 million dollar deficit (while California is in a 500 million dollar deficit and the cuts are still not as drastic). Also, limiting collective bargaining would mean limiting the rights of its people. Collective bargaining is something workforces have fought hard after to acquire, yet limiting this can lead to limiting the people's freedom of speech or freedom itself. This would give back the power to the corporations and therefore would give them that much more power to put money in their own pockets. Budget cuts are obviously necessary to pay off their state debts, but depriving students of a decent education, workers from expressing their views, and people from supporting their family is uncalled for and is simply not right.
I believe that it is right for the teachers to fight for what they need. Currently, they are economically stuggling, and if that continues, many would lose their jobs, and as a result, that impacts education. However, Governer Scott is in a difficult position, where it's difficult to find a compromise without hurting the spending budget.
I think the bill should be passed. This is a step toward fixing the budget crisis, and of course there have to be sacrafices made. If this bill doesn't pass, then Govenor Scott Walker would be forced to layoff 6,000 workers. This bill isn't intended to strip the union workers' rights, but it is intended to help alleviate the debt the state is in (which is a 3.6 billion budget shortfall). Govenor Walker created this alternative so that layoffs would not have to be considered.
It has been said that the 14 Democrats in the Senate left Madison to avoid a vote. I believe that they are making matters worse by causing a delay in voting.
I hope this bill passes so that those 6,000 may be saved, and hopefully Wisconsin's budget crisis may be alleviated.
"We will strongly make our points, but understand you are limiting the voice of the public as you do this," said Democratic state Rep. Mark Pocan of Madison. "You can't dictate democracy. You are limiting the people's voice with this agreement this morning."
I completely agree with this statement because this is strictly taking away the essence of democracy itself. If the people are not allowed to collective bargain, then the people do not have any control over their own jobs. The government's deficit in Wisconsin isn't even close to being as bad as California's, so there are other ways that this could be resolved. The people, or the workers, are what make up the jobs; they are important factors in making the jobs successful. Just like our government, the people are the most important, and that is how jobs should be considered. If the people are stripped from their rights to collective bargain then it is like stripping the American people of the natural rights.
THis has become such a big deal tat even the influnce from egypt has come into this, "Egypt Supports Wisconsin, One World, One pain."
Although i see how much the plan would be able to save ($30 million in 3 months, $300Million over the next 2 yrs)
it is still destroying one of the most critical rights of public unions in a state in which it has pioneered many of the fundamental rights for workers rights.
so i agree with President Obama when he says that this is "an attack on unions"
Its hard to believe that this is ocurrring at a time like thise and things are not to get any easier for this country as a result. I believe that this issue is going to be spread nation wide. There has been some reports that this issue is already spreading to Ohio and this bring a little fear in me that it could reach California.
According to The Huffington Post Former Govenor, Scott Walker, is not accepting any compromises and the unions are not going to end up the fight either. This I believe is going to be a never ending issue that will later affect the whole United States and bring more problem then what we already have.
"I am just trying to balance my budget. to those who say why didn't I negotiate on this? I don't have anything to negotiate with.[...]Like every state in America, we're broke. And it's time to pay up", This is what Governor Walker had to say to the New York Times. I think that these proposed cuts and requests to do away with collective bargaining are not fair to union workers at all. The Governor mentions the rest of America being broke in this, but he fails to mention that other states have not made cuts like the ones he is in favor of. Even if others may claim that union workes rights are protected by law, there are ways to impact their lives by getting around those laws. Without collective bargaining how are people going to insure that their conditions will be acceptable and what they deserve?
In my opinion, I think that the teachers are doin the right thing to "stike".They are already getting paid a low amount for what they are doing and all their hardwork to educate the future of America, and now the govenor wants them to pay for their own HEALTH CARE coverage and to take a 8% cut from their paycheck as well as paying in 5% into their pensions (retirement)! Yesterday Eleven hundred Wisconsin teachers called in "sick" recently. It was the only way to "legally" strike without breaking their no-strike contract clause. That is sad because the teachers shouldn't have to call in sick just to strike for what is eventually going to affect their lives. People also argue that the teachers are only paying a small price of what they are currently going through and that no other working american are getting full coverage and pension at no cost. Also, people are complaining that the majority of Americans have it much worse off, which is why they are staying quieter on this issue. If you think about it, America needs teachers. first of all they are already going through so many budget cuts and adding on more will make them go broke. Teachers have families too in which they also have to pay for food, water, house rent, and etc. so with all these new things piling up on them will just make these teachers go homeless. These teachers are help building the kids today for the future of tomorrow. 8% doesn't seem a lot but think about it how much you can lose with 8% .
I believe it is right to protest this bill Governer Walker wants to pass. It would affect so many workers and unions throughout the country and I dont believe many people could survive it. My mom is a teacher and though she works two other jobs, it would still be hard for her to support three children with the salary she has.
I think the bill should be passed. though it restricts collective bargaining, union workers can still be able to request pay raises if the voters approve it in a special referendum. the bill also ensures that no one would get laid off.
It's amazing how there are more than a thousand teachers and firefighters involved in unions to voice their opinions regarding the Bill that has potentical to destroy over 100 years of collective bargaining agreements. I think that the government should have warned the workers of the cuts or they should find another way to solve this situation because the government promised them in the collective bargaining that they would receive certain rights and this rights should be given to them. If the bill is opposing such rights then they should find a compromise where both sides of the unions are content with what they receive. I think it is extremely important for teachers to strike and show the government what they believe, yet at the same time I also think that this strike is going to have a major effect on the education of the children whose teachers are not there to teach them. Although it is a difficult decision to be made, I just hope that it settles down and creates the best learning enviroment again for the students of Wisconsin.
My thoughts of the labor dispute occuring in Wisconsin is that the teachers and other workers who are in unions have the right to fight for their rights so that they can't be taken away from them by Governor Walker who is proposing a bill that will disprute the collective bargaining established by the unions. The bill is targeting the unions in which much protesers are fighting for equal opportunity.
I just can't leave this subject alone. Marena, I see some fallacies, well, not really fallacies, but little blips in your argument. You say that they will take a 5% pension cut, but their pensions are at $100000. That 5% brings it down to $95000. My parents, combined, made 97K last year. Why the heck should the taxpayers pay that much for people that aren't even working.
"Why should taxpayers work their fingers to the bone until the day they die to support teacher and other public employee bloated wages and pensions? It’s time for anger and revolt alright. It is taxpayers who need to go on strike!